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May 10, 2012 Minutes


CIET Conference Calls



  1. Budget
  2. Marine Mammal Observers funded by Navy
  3. Problem with M07
  4. NOAA trawl lines
  5. Southern focussed array


Participants : Doug T, Susan S, Rick C, Donna Blackman, Emilie H, Jeff M., Maya, William, Bob D, Richard

2012 Cruise # 1

    ship delayed into Newport, not sure how this affects Collins' cruise. Should be OK


  •     do not need to revise our budgets for NSF
  •     do need to rewrite the subcontracts between each institution and the UO
  •     5.8% cut for each sub award.  LDEO offered an additional 5k cut to go 1/2 1/2 to WHOI and OSU
  •     Timing @ NSF: it is in financial review - should be next week or a few weeks.
  •     UO is very good once the sub awards are set up.
  •     original sub awards have end dates of June 30th
  •     To Do: UO to meet w research office next Tuesday and will send on details.

ONR marine mammal insterests

Wilcock  - use Cascadia data to look at fin and blue whales (these are recorded whether we want it or not)
(i) The idea of putting marine mammal observers on legs in 2013 and/or 2014 - 2 per leg would be the minimum contingent.  John Calambokidis at Cascadia Research (an independent marine mammal outfit in Olympia) is interested in doing this.  He was initially skeptical that the Navy would fund it but the ONR program manager encouraged us to follow up since he thought the operational Navy might support it.
People at the meeting interested in: marine mammal observers on legs in 2013 and 2014.  Ship covers a lot of ground for the deployments and recoveries.  Useful for baseline visual surveys. Supports environmental impact statements.John Calambokidis at Cascadia Research (an independent marine mammal outfit in Olympia) is interested in doing this.  
Proposals would have to go in on fiscal year cycle.
Is there room for 2 marine mammal observers?
There is room right now on the cruise 1.  This is value added to the cruise also for the students on board.  How do they budget for this if we do not know the exact cruise plan yet.  Are they willing to observe on any cruise? They would like all/as many as possible cruises.  They would hire two people for most of the summer and estimate from this year's schedule.
How likely is this to happen? Calambokidis skeptical but program manager was more positive.
Berthing cruise can go on 01 van. This could take 2 marine mammal observers.  But might be an issue for cruises with a large number of WHOI or LDEO instruments
Action Items:
  • Take a count for this year's cruises
  • Get counts for what is comfortable on the Oceanus. 


ii) The idea of a high frequency hydrophone recorder on selected OBSs in 2013 and/or 2014 - the preferred configuration was a "picket fence" that would instrument all the OBSs on an E-W line and the preferred recorder a Hawaii EARS (  In discussions with Andrew it is clear that the LDEO instruments could likely host one of these recorders but to make this work they would also (or just) need to go on the WHOI (or LDEO instruments) because the primary interest seemed to be in deep water or at least in comparing deep water to the shelf/slope.  Will has an e-mail into John Collins about the feasibility of this.
  • High frequency recorders further offshore.
  • LDEO and WHOI are willing to investigate adding these recorders.  EAR instrument in pressure cases to take it down to depth.  Is it feasible to attach these?
  • Are we interested in supporting this?  Will the Navy support this?
Action Item:
  • William to continue pursuing this with the OBSIP groups.

Problem: M07 is deeper than 1000m


  • M07 was occupied by an SIO-Abalone in Year 1 (it will still be on the seafloor).  The measured depth at the instrument is 1351m.
  • Too far to swap with J09.  Shift east or see if instrument can go slightly deeper as reoccupying the same site will be better scientifically.  This does tie us to using an ROV that goes deeper than 1,000m. 
  • We do not know which ROV will be used next year.  Jason is more expensive but comes out of facilities not science.  Does NSF have a preference on what ROV to use?  Rick: hard to answer - make sure you keep options open. 

Action Items:

  • Maya: What is the limit on the SIO ROV?  Try not to be in a position where you have to use Jason.

NOAA trawl lines - 

    Emilie sent info in maps of 7 time slices.

Southern focused array


    AASC - is in the process of approving Mendocino triple junction redesign.
    decide about the very shallow instruments after shelf instruments are recovered on cruises 2 and 3 ~ July 26.
Action Items
  • Prioritize the sites in the case where we do not recover all instruments or problems occur on board.